1) Interview with EBE-2: March 5th, 1983 at Los Alamos National Labs.
The following reported interview was referenced in discussion by many on the
list, and can be found both in Exempt
from Disclosure by Robert Collins, and on Collins' website www.ufoconspiracy.com.
While the details do not match precisely, the orders of magnitude of the numbers
provided (length of day and year) do correspond.
The following is an account of the meeting I [Rick Doty] was involved
in with EBE-2. On March 5, 1983, I was at Los Alamos National Laboratories
conducting business on a counterintelligence project. During my visit,
a source I'll call LANL-1, asked me to sit in on a very special interview.
Not knowing what he was talking about, I questioned him. However, he wouldn't
say exactly what the project involved or who was being interviewed.
I accompanied LANL-1 to an underground facility west of the Los Alamos
complex. The area was called, Site 30. Access to this facility was gained
by entering Area 49. Access to the underground facility was through building
number 49-2091. An elevator took us down about 60 feet (only estimating).
Once we arrived, access was gained through a large vault opening outside
the elevator. We walked down a hallway to another vault door.
We entered and turned right. We walked about 200 feet turned left and
entered vault door to a large room. This room contained two tables, several
chairs and recording equipment. I sat near the door. About ten minutes
later, three people, who I did not know, entered the room. One, an Air
Force Colonel, asked me to sign a security document, which gave me an
upgraded clearance, TS/SCI/Group-MJ-B-3 clearance. I've never heard of
this but I signed. The Colonel told me I was to listen and not make any
sounds during the interview.
I asked the Colonel who was being interviewed and he told me a guest from
another planet! The Colonel left. The other two people set up a table
with a microphone and recording equipment, including a camera. About five
minutes later, in walks a 4' 9" non human looking creature. It was
dressed in a tight fitting cream colored suit. It had no hair and was
identified to me as EBE-2.
EBE-2 sat in a chair across the table from two civilians and the AF Colonel.
I did not know the identity of the three. LANL-1 came into the room and
sat next to me. I listened while the three asked EBE-2 a series of questions
pertaining to its home planet. First question was about the temperature,
climate and weather. EBE-2 responded in perfect English but sounded like
a machine generated voice. Very hard to explain but it was either coming
from a device that EBE-2 had in front of him or from something in its
EBE-2 explained the weather of its planet which was dry, varying temperature
between 65-90 degrees. There was 35 hours of constant sunshine and three
hours of darkness. Rainfall occurred only during one of its months each
year. The day lasted 38 of our hours. They did not have months but did
have years which consisted of approximately 600 of our days. They used
a society cycle which I understood to be similar to our months. During
this society cycle each Eben worked a certain time and conducted business.
There was also a rest cycle which consisted of a regulated period of sleep.
I don't recall the exact number of hours or sleep/rest. EBE-2 discussed
weather patterns and how they were formed. I don't recall the exact words.
However, EBE-2 seemed very intelligent and fully explained each weather
pattern in precise detail. He used Earth's equivalents for Meteorology
The interesting part of this interview was that I didn't hear any questions
being asked by the three humans sitting across from EBE-2. Either the
questions were already given to EBE-2 or the three humans were "thinking
the questions" and EBE-2 would respond in English.
requested by Rick Doty: this was observed on a TV monitor and Doty was
not actually in the same room as EBE-2.]
[Addition from Robert Collins: EBE–2 did state that his planet was
named "Sieu" – but that was in Eben, not English. He never
mentioned "Serpo" as such. He said that according to Earth days,
his planet's days were approximately 37-40 hours; that he liked the cool
climate of Earth, around LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratories) and northern
New Mexico; and that he was a scientist and was providing assistance to
Earth scientists in the area of space travel. EBE–1 (initially just
known as EBE) was the sole survivor of the Roswell crash, and lived until
1952 (see this posting by
Anonymous), EBE–2 arrived in 1964 and stayed till 1984, and
EBE–3 (with two aides, one of whom was female) arrived in 1978 and
stayed until 1994.]
© Peregrine Communications (Robert Collins) www.ufoconspiracy.com
Special thanks for the permission to reproduce the interview here.
Anomalous orbital data.
The orbital data supplied by Anonymous (particularly the 865 day period of
orbit) do not appear to accord with Kepler's
laws. This generated a large volume of discussion on the list, a number
of whose members are prominent scientists.
However, it's reasonable to consider that if a story like this was invented
the first thing a storyteller would get right would be the physics, as the "correct" numbers are easy to calculate. So the fact that some
of the numbers differ widely from those predicted by known laws – a
sitting duck for criticism – may be a validating factor, not
otherwise. Why set oneself up to be dismissed immediately?
Distortion of biological rhythms in the absence of the measurement of earth
Research has been done in caves on chronobiology,
with no natural rhythms to guide the subjective judgement of time.
In 1962, Michel
Siffre, a French caver and geologist, spent two months in a cave in the
European Alps in the first of several "out of time" experiments.
After 61 days underground with no time reference, he resurfaced on 17 September
believing the date was 20 August.
In 1972 – now in collaboration with NASA – Siffre supervised other
similar experiments before going down again into the Midnight Cave in Del
Rio, Texas where he for 205 days, a far longer period. Siffre had all comforts
and conveniences, including communication with the outside world, but had
no means of measuring time. He had agreed to emerge when he judged 175 days
had passed. Siffre said: "My brain would make automatic adjustments because
it had memorised the previous experiment, and yet I was still out."
It’s interesting to speculate that while NASA may never have revealed
(or maybe never knew themselves) the real reason for sponsoring the experiment,
this would have been smack in the middle of the Eben exchange program (originally
planned to be 1965-75, though Anonymous reports that it stretched to 1978)
and presumably in their communication with Earth it would have become clear
by then that the twelve had become time-disoriented: so research on Earth
was necessary. Siffre, having done the first and only other experiment in
1962, would have been the obvious guinea pig.
A little calculation is interesting. In the first experiment, Siffre "stretched"
his subjective time by a massive 85%. In the second experiment, fully prepared
and alert to the problem, he did better – but still stretched his stay
by 17%. The Eben exchangees appear to have stretched their own stay by approx
30%. Not proof as such, but a compelling indication, from an unexpected direction,
that Anonymous's report has validity.
Reference: Michel Siffre, "Six months alone in a cave", National
Geographic, v.147, no.3, March 1975, pp.426-435.
4) The ability of some ETs to manipulate and transcend
time is referenced in Dan Sherman's book, Above
Dan Sherman wrote a book, Above
Black, in which he reveals how he was groomed and trained as a telepathic
communicator with a race of ETs from and about whom he received data but never
actually met – in preparation for an anticipated catastrophic event.
He learned information that appears to corroborate the difficult reports by
Anonymous that time is in some way experienced differently by the Ebens and/or
in the Ebens' environment, with a corresponding distortion of physical laws
as we would understand them.
Sherman states that he learned that "time" – as we humans
know it – does not have the same meaning for them. They still age as
we do but are not bound by the physics of time as we currently are. Their
means of travel across vast distances is heavily dependent on the manipulation
of time but not as we perceive it.
Sherman enquired whether they can travel through time, i.e. whether they can
go backwards and forwards in time. He was told that it was not possible to
witness a reality that occurred in some other time but the present: in order
to go back in time, one must assume that there exists a reference point from
which to measure backward or forward. This is an impossibility. Essentially,
they weren't able to travel through time – rather, around
time and from time. Sherman states that he never really understood
what this meant. Their mode of propulsion was somehow that they used both
time and electromagnetic energy. Sherman was also told that our sun was very
unique; and that someday we would understand how it really worked and how
we could utilize the same methods that they themselves use but on a smaller
5) The reported inclusion of a "DIM" in the exchangees'
Anonymous reports in his fifth
also took electric razors, coffee pots, electric heaters, a DIM
(no explanation as to what this was), an electric IBM typewriter, a scientific
calculator, slide rules (both conventional and scientific), Base Data Collection
Recorder (BDCR), three different sized telescopes, tangents, both conventional
tiny but possibly significant part of Anonymous's report rings true. If the
story is false, it would be very clever misinformation to mention something
so minor and unexplained when so much else reported is graphically and clearly
stated (whatever opinions readers may have about it).
Update, 2 December (clarification from Paul McGovern):
The "DIM" was the Duty Information Manual. It was their "bible," for all of the information they would need. The operations plans, how to excute
the plans, emergency action procedures, etc.
6) The following was presented to Victor Martinez from another
source (not "Anonymous"):
MJ-12 Staff Document
30 July 1999
FACTS CONCERNING EXOBIOLOGICAL LIFE TO BE CONVEYED THROUGH "THE PUBLIC
1) Intelligent life does exist on other planets and throughout the Universe.
2) Craft not of human design or manufacture are operating in and around the
land, sea and air of Earth.
3) Intelligent beings other than Homo Sapiens Sapiens are conducting various
missions on this planet. These beings have been coming here for tens of thousands
4) Alien beings may have human-like bodies or non-human bodies (such as hybrid,
insectoid, or reptilian). Intelligent beings can be physical, non-physical
or inter-dimensional in nature.
5) The variety of life in the universe is diverse, like the life on our own
planet is diverse.
6) Some alien beings have the ability through advanced technology or other
means to move forward and backward at will through time and space.
7) The spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of, equal to
or behind its level of technological development.
8) The social orientation, motives and agendas of these beings is very diverse.
Some alien intelligences are more friendly to human beings than others.
9) In many cases, the "abduction phenomenon" is a real event. This
activity is complex, coordinated and purposeful. It often occurs throughout
many generations of a family.
10) Cross-breeding of humans with more than one alien species has occurred.
Hybrid children and hybrid adults do exist. They have characteristics of both
the human and alien races.
11) Although most alien contacts and sightings occurring on modern-day earth
have been shrouded in secrecy and mystery, the veil is slowly being lifted
by the activities of civilians and specially assigned government personnel.
The Public Acclimation to the reality of alien life is proceeding in a way
designed not to shock or disrupt society any more than necessary.
12) A great amount of "UFO" and alien information is now in the
public domain. Countless books, videos and internet websites are devoted to
these subjects. Thousands of pages of U.S. government documents on unusual
sightings and encounters have been made available.
At this point, credentialed researchers and academicians have investigated
the UFO/alien phenomenon and published their findings. This is a further step
to help validate the phenomenon in the minds of the public.
With these 12 points as a reliable framework, it is intended that key members
of the public and government will be better able to accept, evaluate and place
into perspective the large body of evidence which is soon to be before them.
YOU HAVE BEEN CLEARED TO SEE THIS.
The document on the left [click here to enlarge] is part of the original 1954 UFO Crash Retrieval manual of the
U.S. Government, known as "Special Operations Manual SOM1-01". The
document was classified at two levels Above Top Secret.
As of a few years ago, my information is that UFO crash retrievals are handled
by special "Blue Teams," operating out of the U.S. Office of Naval
Intelligence (ONI). The advanced technology of these craft is being back-engineered
at facilities such as Area S/4, near Papoose Lake, Nevada. While "mainstream" scientists wonder if there's alien life, the government has been working on
the alien technology for decades.
for more information on the entire document. Click here to download the entire
document: Part 1 Part
On the right [click here to enlarge] is part of a Top Secret Briefing to President-Elect Eisenhower,
dated 18 Nov 1952, concerning the existence of UFOs. After extensive investigation
at the U.S. National Archives, it has been concluded that this document is
very likely authentic. (Leaking a document to the public is one way of "unofficially" declassifying it.)
The scene of the exchangees departing Earth on the Eben craft appears to be
cinematically portrayed in the final scene of the movie Close
Encounters of the Third Kind – with the same number of male and
female personnel reported by Anonymous.
final segment of the movie does indeed feature twelve people – ten
men and two women. Twelve people is also the number given in Spielberg's
book of the movie. Interestingly, one blonde woman stands out, first shown
in a long close-up when the priest gives his blessing. Then, when the team
members file past, all have dark glasses with the exception of the blonde...
and Roy Neary, who would be the thirteenth member. The subsequent shot is
where they line up, and now the woman is seen to have put on her dark glasses
to join the others. This appears to be a flawed piece of direction, most untypical
of Spielberg; the reader is left to speculate on any possible significance.
Also worthy of note is that all team members wear a triangular patch on their
left arm and the American Flag on the right arm of their orange jumpsuits.
There is a uniformed officer with the priest when the blessing is given.
An e-mail from a researcher (name supplied, but withheld here).
Regarding the SOM-1 document and the private MJ-12 Staff document known as "A Framework" [see (6) above] – I was almost blown off my
chair. WOW! What a brilliant post!
It requires about 20 years of experience to know the importance of what you
have posted. VERY WELL done! And I liked your interview on "Coast to
Coast AM." Hint: I think you've "pushed some buttons" in Washington,
DC, at high levels. (You may never hear about it, though. Nice job :-)
I really like your website, and the "consistencies" webpage in particular.
My assessment of SOM-1 is that it is real. I've known someone who was involved
with U.S. Navy Seal UFO crash retrieval "Blue Teams." I have reason
to believe that SOM-1 is authentic, or a manual like it is authentic. You're
close to the truth.
I received a copy of "A Framework" years ago in the U.S. mail, with
no return address. It was on plain, printed paper. I'm sure that was intentional,
to prevent tracing. I'm a researcher, so I guess I'm on a "list."
Of great interest to me was that the "Public Acclimation Campaign"
unfolded exactly as "A Framework" indicated. The public releases
in movies, etc., have followed that document very well. I've had other researchers
comment on this to me. Some of them were skeptical at first, then amazed.
They had no explanation why the document in their hands matched what happened
Just so you know, I can ASSURE you that nobody just "made up" the
"Framework" document recently, to fool you. Some people have known
about this for many years. AND to your credit, you quoted it accurately. The
copy you posted IS the "Real Deal."
The "Framework" document has met the test of time... it matches
the rare reports of U.S. security officers in underground alien bases, to
the testimony of abductees. I don't know of ANY informed researcher who has
EVER questioned the contents of that document, over the years. Many researchers
have their own way of "knowing and checking" things. Not one researcher
I know refuted anything.
A couple of very good researchers have questioned the source, but they NEVER
questioned the contents. And THAT is truly extraordinary.
Please keep SOM-1 and "A Framework" on your website – and
keep up your good work!
I have attached a copy of "A Framework," which I had from years
ago. You can check my copy, word for word. This is the REAL version, only
known to a very few people at the time.
9) The Eben craft power source, reported to utilize negative matter.
In his eleventh posting, Anonymous writes:
Team Commander: "In the center of these containers is a copper colored coil or something looking like a coil. There is a bright light being shined from a point above into the center of the coil. We hear a very dull hum, but no major loud sounds. 661 thinks it is a negative matter versus positive matter system."
The following was summarized in simple terms by a student on www.ac.wwu.edu/~vawter/StudentSites2002/interstellar_travel/negativemass.html
Negative Mass Propulsion
The idea of negative mass propulsion was created to eliminate the need for fuel, since fuel limits the feasibility of interstellar travel so much. Theoretically, it would allow faster than light travel without violating Einstein's theory of relativity. (note 1)
The way this works is it uses gravity to bend space around the spaceship. A large amount of "negative mass" would be in front of the ship and a large amount of positive mass would be behind it, and the masses would curve space in such a way that it'd accelerate the ship. Apparently, such a process would not violate the conservation of energy, as the space it is travelling through would be warped. (note 2)
If this theory were to work, it could be the best form of transportation available. It has been suggested that it would allow a ship to bypass the limitations of relativity, and a ship could actually travel to and from its destination at speeds far faster than the speed of light without running into the problem of taking several years to do so. (note 2)
Unfortunately, we don't even know if negative matter exists, and even if we did discover it, we'd have to develop a way to turn the effect of the matter on and off, so the speed of the ship could be controlled. (note 1)
10) Documents newly disclosed, reporting confusion, sickness and disorientation when entering a disk at the Kingman crash site.
These two pages of a classified document were sent to us on 24 December by a researcher (name supplied but withheld here). They appear to be transcripts of a prepared briefing or lecture – or perhaps a simple memo – dated 24 March 1995, of the experiences of a number of military personnel when entering a downed craft (Kingman, Arizona, 1953). The symptoms reported correspond closely with those reported in the Team Commander's log in the eleventh posting.
As additional consistency: in 1995, Bill Uhouse, an insider at S-4 in Area 51, who worked with a live alien (J-Rod) trying to bridge the gap between ET technology and ours on a craft delivered by the ETs to S-4, told the researcher who supplied the document above about a craft recovered in 1953 from the vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. Uhouse reported the following, as summarized by this researcher:
The craft kept making a noise that the engineers were unable to stop. Somebody suggested they bring the alien occupants back from Los Alamos, where they had been taken to a prepared habitat, and have them stop the noise. This was done, and when the aliens indicated they would have to go inside the ship to stop the noise, that was permitted. It is believed that they made contact with another of their ships while inside. Then they came to the door again and were reloaded into the van and taken back to Los Alamos.
11) An interesting experience reported by a filmmaker on the Above Top Secret Forum.
I am a filmmaker, and a couple of years ago, I had this meeting about a science-fiction film concept... Make a long story short, a guy in the room, when Close Encounters is referenced, mentions that CE3 is based on fact. There was no reaction from anyone., since the initial presumption was that he meant that there was a Roy (Richard Dreyfuss) person – an ordinary phone line worker who was chosen, or called, to join the aliens... the guy, sensing a lack of comprehension regarding what he just said, repeated it and slowly laid out the basics of the Serpo story
It was a very cool thought, at the time, to consider the viablity of such a program. I amuse myself with daydreams of daily life on another planet for a few weeks, forget about it for a few years, and then, since Anonymous came along, I am back, happily withstanding the din of my internal debate about whether this profound piece of history was censored, or created.
12) What the Ebens may look like, taken from Wendelle Stevens' book UFO Contact from Reticulum.
These images below are NOT photographs of an Eben, but are taken from a lifelike sculpture of a "Reticulan" created by the artist Alan Levigne, who did work for many of the major movie studios in California. Levigne created the sculpted head in close consultation with Bill Herrmann, an contactee and abductee whose graphic and detailed experience is the subject of Lt Col Wendelle Stevens' excellent book UFO Contact from Reticulum
. Readers are left to judge for themselves whether the Reticulans and the Ebens (both from Zeta Reticuli, and apparently not the Grays) are one and the same.
13) A message received on this website contact form on 7 December 2005:
I [BR] received this message below on the website contact form on 7 December, the day after the Coast to Coast AM with George Noory radio show. I immediately relayed it to Victor Martinez, asking him to check with Anonymous whether the information was correct or a hoax.
The reply came back that it was indeed correct but was a very long story which would NOT be made public, and we should under no circumstances release the information. So we didn’t, and sat on it... not knowing quite what to think. Now – in further indication of a policy reversal – we are being asked to do just that. Here’s the 7 December message in its entirety. It entirely confirms the posting by Anonymous on 28 January:
From: "T.G.H." <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: 7 Dec 2005 09:11:23 -0000
To: "Serpo.org" <email@example.com>
There is much, much more to this story. One person, a male, died during the trip to Zeta.
He suffered a pulmonary embolism. In addition, an autopsy was performed at which time
the deceased individal's DNA was extracted and stored. At a later tine, the DNA was used
in a cloning type process which actually involved creating a hybrid being, part human, part
alien. Through an advanced aging process and something called rapid-cycling cloning,
several hundred hybrid beings were created. Some remain on Zeta, but others were
returned to Earth. This can be verified in documents contained in the ZR Repro Factor file.
14) A photograph purported to be of EBE-1:
I [BR] received this from an ex-intelligence officer while at the UFO Congress in Laughlin, Nevada, in March 2006. It is not specifically connected with Serpo and the source was not Anonymous. However, such is the nature of the material that it is assumed that visitors to this site will be most interested in the image.
I was informed that it was was a real photograph, but it has not been analysed. I have had confirmation from two sources, one who has seen a film of EBE-1 made as a briefing for President Truman, and another who worked for six months as a military archivist with original Roswell crash material, that even if this is a model or a mock-up of some kind, it is an excellent likeness. I present this image for visitors' interest without further comment.
"I have seen two different kinds of ETs from crashes, and this is definitely one of them. It could very well be him. I am not 100% sure, but I'd bank on it."
Ex-military archivist, who in the 1980s handled photogrqphs, films and artifacts from crash retrievals in the late 1940s - name supplied